Hello Burnie Jim....you ask a good question. Why was Donald Trump spared, but not the unfortunate supporter?? ( I'm thankful DJT survived. I fear for what may have happened in America if he had been killed. ) Why did the 1200 in Israel perish? I have no answer for why some are spared and others not.But I am a person of faith and all I can do is remember that we are told that ..now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, then, I shall know even as I am known .So though we do not see clearly or understand fully at the moment, there will be a time, at the end, where all will be revealed to us and our understanding will be complete. I guess it's trusting in a good God in the face of conflicting circumstances. Don't know if that's a very satisfactory explanation for you. Cheers.
Thanks Judith. It’s admirable that you have faith and trust in your God but in the circumstances of my question, is this a “good God” as per your description?
Thanks for your response.For Christians, the belief is that we have been created with free will, free to choose good or evil through our lives..Otherwise we would be automatons.If we choose to do evil,(and as we don't live in a vacuum) there will be consequences to our choice, and usually others in society will be affected/harmed. God IS good. We (humans in general)can do great evil at times, which harms others and we have to live with the consequences. This is a complex issue, because God does intervene in some circumstances. And it doesn't explain why some, for example,get ill and die young, and others don't. I don't have the answers so I understand your query..is God good??
I’ve read both your comments with great interest. Thank you.
God is good. As you said, Judith, we have free will to act against God and against our fellow men. We do it all the time and that’s why humanity is such a mess.
I just want to start by quoting CS Lewis - everyone you meet is an eternal being. Life doesn’t end when they die. I’m a Lutheran and in situations like this I think of Luther’s Line. We are finite and subject to time. God is infinite and outside of time. We’re not able to understand that as we simply do not have the mental,spiritual,physical or mindful capacity. As we are now, it would literally destroy us. Some things have to be taken in faith.
Luther said to imagine an invisible horizontal line above your head. Everything below that line is your business and responsibility and you are held accountable for the kind of life you choose to lead. Below that line is also the revealed Word of God, the Bible. As St. Paul said ‘we work out our salvation’ according to the revealed Word of God. Jesus (God) became man below that line. God interacts with us in a very real way and also in ways we don’t yet understand.
Above Luther’s Line is totally God’s business. As time bound finite beings, we do not have the capacity to know, understand or partake of that realm. We could not handle it. And if we were to be given anything above Luther’s Line, we would blow it. We’re no match for satan.
This isn’t something Luther or I have ‘worked out’ by our own strength and cleverness. If anyone wants to truly seek God, by His grace He will freely give them that understanding as a gift. But to the person who doesn’t understand or seek to understand, it’s just nonsense and doesn’t make any sense.
Your beliefs depend on your worldview. A Christian’s worldview is based entirely on the Bible and its truths. As you grow in faith, God gives you more and more and then as you said, Judith, we see Him face to face and all is then revealed and explained. I find that incredibly comforting as all things no matter how big or small will be put right by a just and holy God, our Creator.
This was the escalation that comes from vilifying Trump and his supporters for years now. They couldn’t eliminate him politically. They couldn’t eliminate him legally. Elimination by assassination was the natural progression of the agenda.
The media and his political opponents have called Trump Hitler enough and shouted how he’s a threat to democracy loud enough, it’s no surprise you get somebody thinking they are doing God’s work in assassinating him. And so they did.
We’ve seen comedians parading around with a model of his severed head. We’ve heard celebrities talk about how much they’d like to punch him in the face. And just 6 days ago we had Biden state it was time to put Trump in the bullseye.
And people are surprised it’s come to this? It was inevitable.
As I and many others have been warning for a while now, Donald Trump as President poses a serious threat to the diabolical plans of the New World Order Globalists or Deep State or whatever other name you want to call them, that Trump may inevitably become an expendable victim of political assassination. The political assassination attempt on Donald Trump was planned and ordered by the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican, and don't forget that. And don't rely on the lying corporate media to report and tell you the truth, they won't. That secret service agents and snipers did not notice the "lone gunman" is truly inconceivable and unbelievable to a person of sound mind. That secret service agents and snipers were utterly incompetent, complacent, derelict in their lack of duty to protect Trump and securing the location raises serious alarm bells and questions that the secret service may have indeed had a collective involvement or role in the assassination attempt plot. The so-called "lone gunman" was probably setup by the Jesuit Vatican as a fall guy patsy victim, the "lone gunman" was probably killed, murdered, assassinated by a secret service sniper that probably shot Trump, the secret service and all the alphabet agencies are Jesuit Vatican created and controlled. The real smoking gun is the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican, the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican was the smoking gun that ordered the assassinations of prominent U.S. Presidents' Lincoln, Jackson, Garfield, McKinley, RFK, JFK, and others. The assassination attempt on Trump was probably not intended to kill him but evoke fear and terror in Trump and the American people, specifically the White Christian American Right. They know that if they killed, murdered, assassinated Trump there would be an all out civil war across all the cities of America, and that could still be what the Jesuit Vatican has planned. If the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican wanted Trump dead he would be dead. It was intended to be a warning message to Trump and other American politicians to remind and keep them loyal and obedient to the Jesuit Vatican blood oath or else suffer the wrath for their disloyalty and disobedience. I seriously doubt and question the "lone gunman" story given by the corporate media, but hypothetically if he was, President Biden and Democrat politicians must surely be held responsible and blameworthy in the assassination attempt on Trump given that Biden and Democrat politicians and leftist media and celebrity psychopaths have been publicly endorsing and inciting violence and murder and assassination of Trump for many years, and they must be held responsible, blameworthy, accountable, and punished. I believe the assassination attempt on Trump was ordered by the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican. It is important to mention that the majority of President Biden's administration, and Trump's administration, is Jesuit dominated and subjugated. To a person of sound mind President Biden's latest public speech expressing concern for Trump's well being is utterly laughable and cannot be believed given the fact that the psychopath Biden and Democrats, and leftist media and celebrity psychopaths have been publicly endorsing and inciting violence and murder and assassination of Trump for many years. The fact that the Jesuit Vatican is willing to resort to diabolical anathema acts of assassinations, both attempted and literal assassinations of former and serving U.S. Presidents just shows how truly depraved and evil the Jesuit Vatican truly is!
Fair enough, true believers think that your god stepped in and saved Trump today but how do you explain that that same god did nothing to prevent the brutal slaughter of 1200 of his chosen people last October?
It’s a genuine question. I’m truly interested because I cannot understand how people have such faith in an entity no one has ever seen but is attributed to so much in a book.
Burnie, that is a very good question, though it is difficult to give a simple answer. Please find below, a reply to your question that my husband has written:
Hi Burnie – The following is probably a very poor attempt at an answer to your question, but it is meant sincerely. Apologies for the length and any preachy-sounding sections – they are for context only.
In my personal life, one of the most intrinsically important things to me is to search for the truth. As someone (perhaps C.S. Lewis?) once said, “The greatest impediment to truth is the belief that one is already in the possession of it”. We are all so heavily encumbered by our upbringing, situation in life, culture, religion, etc. that it is at times very difficult to rise above our biases to comprehend error and recognise truth. Personally, I have had to admit that I have been wrong about various opinions and beliefs that I have held. Although it has been very hard to do so, I would rather admit error than falsely believe something that is not true. I would consider that my approach to understanding and logic would categorise me as a sceptic.
In light of the preceding, it may come as a surprise to some that it is my sincere belief that the Bible is true, and that the claims that it makes concerning Jesus and God are also true. It is probably somewhat of a meaningless aside to say this, but if the Bible were not true, then I would be readily willing to admit it. Whatever the case, if one studies the Bible in its historical, linguistic and cultural context, one sees that it is not just a solitary book standing by itself. There are hundreds of historical works by Greek, Roman and Jewish/other authors and innumerable archaeological findings which are extant in some form or other today that intertwine with individuals and events recorded in the Bible, giving great depth to what is contained within.
It is true that the Bible teaches that God created this world and everything in it and allowed us to have a free will of our own. As individuals, we have great capacity to carry out good or evil without God’s general interference. There are also forces of evil in this world who seek to influence.
It might sound callous to say this, but in some ways, the Bible does not place as much importance on death as the ordinary human being does. It teaches that death is a natural part of life – it is the moment when the soul is separated from the mortal body. What is of central importance to the Bible is what one does with one’s life. Ie. ‘What is the point of life?’
The central message of the Bible is what people often refer to as the ‘Gospel’ (which means ‘good news’ in English). In a nutshell, the ‘Good News’ that the Bible is centred around is that the Kingdom of God came to earth when Jesus was born and that he is its king. The Old Testament looks forward to its coming and the New Testament chronicles its arrival. However, Jesus’ kingdom was very different to what the Jews were expecting. They expected a military general who would overthrow the Romans and form a Judean Empire. Jesus’ controversial message was that his kingdom was very different from the kingdoms of this world who grow and increase their power through wars, violence, pride, arrogance, greed, lust, vices, enslavements of various forms, etc. Rather, God’s kingdom that Jesus brought to earth with him is one characterised by servitude, grace, humility, love, sacrifice, forgiveness, truth, honesty, strength of character, etc.
The writers of New Testament implore us to believe in the name of Jesus, which was ‘Christ’. (Christ when translated in English means ‘king’). Thus, a Christian is someone who believes that Jesus/God is the ‘king’ of his or her life and seeks to follow his will rather than their own. It is my sincere opinion that it is only through doing this that anyone can find true peace and fulfilment in their lives. There have been and will continue to be many examples where those who serve Jesus have had to endure horrific and unspeakable things which God has not spared them from and in many cases, they have endured these things on account of believing they were part of God’s will.
I know it is easy from an armchair to claim that God gives strength to those experiencing suffering and that this assertion can be readily dismissed as coming from an imaginative superstition. However, it is an odd fact that the Gospel has spread the furthest and the most rapidly during periods of persecution. I guess one way of looking at it is to say that God hates Christians. :-) However, it could equally be said that in the face of evil, God has given strength to those who trust in him and has worked through the ordinary people of this world to bring much change. The world is a very different place than it was 2,000 years ago, and it is indisputable that Christianity has been a driving force behind this.
In light of all this, to finally get to answering your question… It is my belief as a Christian that God loves and watches over every single person in this world. He has a purpose for each of us in our lives (however short or long they may be) and gives us opportunities to know him and follow him. It may be that God protects people from harm many times in their lives without their knowing it, to give them further opportunity to know him and repent and turn to follow him. If God did have some hand in the Trump incident today (and it wasn’t just a coincidence), this could very well be a reason. Also, it is very easy to presume that God was only thinking of Trump if he intervened in this situation, when in fact there could have been a multitude of other reasons.
In the case of the slaughter in Israel last year, we do not know how many people God protected from evil and what the potential death toll could have been had he not have done so. For each of the Israelis who were slaughtered, it is my opinion that God individually crafted each one of them to be the individual who they were, he guided and loved each one throughout their whole lives and had a specific purpose for each of them. It is certain that in the cases of all Israelis who were slain, that evil fulfilled its lustful purpose. However, the Bible calls Christians to stand against the evil in our own lives, as well as standing against the evil that is so all pervasive in the world. If people take a stand against evil, then with God’s help it will be defeated. It is the message of the Bible that in the end, good/righteousness will triumph over evil. And evil will be brought to justice in the life to come.
Thanks Heather and Jonathan. I can understand and accept that true believers have faith and trust in their God and that you believe in the Bible whereas I don’t have that belief. I admit, on the balance of probabilities the Bible has been backed up in modern times of certain elements of proof, but they are not proof positive.
Thanks to over 20 years service as a police officer I am stuck with questioning everything and not believing anything until I have applied the standard of proof of Beyond Reasonable Doubt which entails all avenues of investigating What, How, Where, When, Who, Why.
Perhaps It would be a lot easier if I too was a true believer and had religious faith, but I don’t and I am quite comfortable with people having that faith and wouldn’t try to change them, as long as they don’t try to change me.
It seems like the answer I will get mostly to my original question boils down to the belief that God works in mysterious ways.
Physics. Trump turned his head to the right at precisely the right moment. Otherwise it would have struck him in the side of the head. Pretty accurate. Luck or coincidence. Mmmmmm. Open to what one believes I guess.
The fact is alas we can't see the big picture. GOD has a plan and it seems incredibly crule at times. I have seen the way very religious ppl deal with tragedy
They are resigned in their grief. It is admirable. I do not think I could cope as they do.
Moses saw and spoke with God. God was visibly present at a meeting with 74 elders, including Moses, of Israel. Ezekiel, the OT prophet, saw God in several visions and walked with him through the valley of bones.
Thanks Axel but you are using words from a book written by man for man, well after the alleged events. I have read parts of the bible but I have not seen the passages you have referred to. The words might be there but are they true? This is my dilemma.
Burnie, it has been my experience that there are two types of people #1- willing to do impartial research of a controversial subject - any such subject- and #2 - those who are determined, no matter what, that their preferred facts are facts even if they are not. The fact of an extradimensional reality - called "heaven" in the Bible - teaming with life, is airily dismissed as superstitious by pseudo-intellectual arrogance. Planet earth, even the entire universe is operated by that dimension. Here on earth it is mainly by imparting thoughts, ideas, even attitudes on the human brain and the creation of circumstances. Even so, we humans are endowed with, and are, independent agencies. We can choose to do or not to do. The Bible can be proven to be God-inspired writing. It is constructed on a system of ironclad patterns of symbolic numbers and their combinations. A good study of this subject is E.W. Bullinger's "Number in Scripture". Re the Valley of Bones: see Ezekiel chapter 37, verses 1-14. It was a yet to be fulfilled prophecy. God spoke to Moses and the 70 (not 74) elders of Israel in Numbers 11:16,25 (I've just checked). The entities of "heaven" can take on human form at will, see Hebrews 13:2 "... do not forget to be hospitable to strangers, for by doing so some of you have unwittingly entertained angles. (Who had taken on human form)
Axel, in my experience there are more than two types, as you stated, but there is always one who believes he is so superior in his knowledge that he will waffle on to get to a stage where he turns the subject away from an original question thereby ignoring and avoiding the very direct initial question.
That person also has a habit of attempting to demean the person he is answering, with what he thinks are clever subtle words and usually gives a psychoanalysis just to again show how superior he is. By the way, he absolutely hates anyone who has an opinion contrary to his own.
There are so many bad things happening around the world. Unfortunately on October 7 a large number of terrorist brutally attacked large number of innocent people. I don’t understand how it works exactly and it’s not right to justify it and I don’t consider myself as someone who could explain it. But that event opened people eyes on the power of evil in the Middle East… and the true colours of Islamists
I can only explain based on my own understanding that if Trump doesn’t win, if Trump dies before this election , the outcome will be by large devastating! And wars will continue and more people will die.
The world is in mess right now and maybe God knows and has plans for him to get America and the world in a slightly better direction so that the next person can direct it better. It’s simply not his time yet. He has power, and he is good at influencing people, and God is helping him to use his power and unique character to redirect the country for better- I hope.
It's all due to Free Will, Jim. If God was the creator like in the Matrix movie, we would all have no choice but to do good deeds that whilst pleasing to each other, would be against our inate habit. Satan asked Jesus to jump off a cliff and see if God would save him, he said not to tempt the Lord. So I think we are free to do whatever we want to do in this world, but will be judged fairly in the end by God. As Dirty Harry said "Well punk, are you feeling lucky today?"
Good grief. The person who fired toward the stage at former president Donald Trump’s campaign rally Saturday was a 20-year-old Pennsylvania man. There's an investigation going on. I'm amazed that anyone could immediately assume it was "the Democrats" who did it!
The Democrat party leaders have been on a hate Trump campaign for at least 6 years. The result has been called Trump derangement syndrome, TDS. The same lying media that has been covering up Bidens failing mental ability for at least 4 years has been leading this hate campaign. The USA in now totally divided.
This hate campaign by Democrat party leaders has now resulted in a shooting. A gullible, possibly even a limited IQ young man is now dead. Who is responsible?
Why not wait for the results of the investigation?
The USA is indeed divided - we are travelling the USA now for 3 months, visiting friends and relatives. Everyone we talk with, Republican and Democrat, agrees that they don't like Trump as a person, but that there's a cult mentality around Trump and he will probably win. There's a whole lot of hate for Biden, too. Who knows why the young man shot Trump? Wait and see.
The Don definitely got the B-team as far as security details go, however God spared his life by moving his head. The gunmen was a crap shooter, not a sharp shooter. DT reacted nobly, he didn't grab a kid and use him as a shield, like many politicians would do. DT is nor perfect, but he is better at growing America and keeping it out of wars, than the recent Democrat Presidents.
Biden was most likely in bed 🛌 asleep 💤 they had to wake him up and medicate him for his lousy soft speech !
But I also think there was a leak in secret services. They spotted the guy and waited for him to react before shooting him down which is very strange unless they were local police lacking experience ! And members of public also warned the police about that guy.
I think there’s a good possibility that démocrates are behind this and paid the guy to kill trump …
But God definitely protected him. And I am a true believer of Gods protection !
History could be different by matter of milliseconds, Millimetres and a slight change in human reflexes. A slight scratch in his throat could have turned his head by millimetre to the wrong side …
I thank God for his love kindness and protection against evil. ❤️
I read lots of comments from lefties that this was staged and how did Trump got up so soon and the security got him up so quick when they knew there was a shooter but I have read that once shooter was down they were informed and that’s why they got trump to get up.
I'm sure the gunman had D. Trump's head in the crosshairs of his telescope when he pulled the trigger, but it takes a second for the bullet to reach its target. That was enough to miss the head.
The bullet fired from an AR 15 rifle , 5,6X45 calibre .223 civillian ,depending on the bullet weight will travel between 2900 and 3300 ft per second ,so one second elapsed time would put it far beyond the 120 (?) yards to the target.The bloke ,fortunately, was a pretty poor shot (thankfully )to miss albeit ,marginally at that range .The sad part is that the bastard had no consideration of other people in the crowd.
My thoughts have been written in a previous post, but enough name calling and other denigrating efforts to make Trump lose face has backfired again.
Now I wait to see if the US Media come up with a lame conspiracy like, the assassination attempt was done by a disgruntled, former victim of a Trump liaison, wanting revenge and definitely not a Democrat with a divine revelation to kill Trump.
The shot that was heard around the world will have many leaders of the Nations checking out their own security details for leaks or insurgents.
Hello Burnie Jim....you ask a good question. Why was Donald Trump spared, but not the unfortunate supporter?? ( I'm thankful DJT survived. I fear for what may have happened in America if he had been killed. ) Why did the 1200 in Israel perish? I have no answer for why some are spared and others not.But I am a person of faith and all I can do is remember that we are told that ..now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, then, I shall know even as I am known .So though we do not see clearly or understand fully at the moment, there will be a time, at the end, where all will be revealed to us and our understanding will be complete. I guess it's trusting in a good God in the face of conflicting circumstances. Don't know if that's a very satisfactory explanation for you. Cheers.
Thanks Judith. It’s admirable that you have faith and trust in your God but in the circumstances of my question, is this a “good God” as per your description?
Cheers
Thanks for your response.For Christians, the belief is that we have been created with free will, free to choose good or evil through our lives..Otherwise we would be automatons.If we choose to do evil,(and as we don't live in a vacuum) there will be consequences to our choice, and usually others in society will be affected/harmed. God IS good. We (humans in general)can do great evil at times, which harms others and we have to live with the consequences. This is a complex issue, because God does intervene in some circumstances. And it doesn't explain why some, for example,get ill and die young, and others don't. I don't have the answers so I understand your query..is God good??
I’ve read both your comments with great interest. Thank you.
God is good. As you said, Judith, we have free will to act against God and against our fellow men. We do it all the time and that’s why humanity is such a mess.
I just want to start by quoting CS Lewis - everyone you meet is an eternal being. Life doesn’t end when they die. I’m a Lutheran and in situations like this I think of Luther’s Line. We are finite and subject to time. God is infinite and outside of time. We’re not able to understand that as we simply do not have the mental,spiritual,physical or mindful capacity. As we are now, it would literally destroy us. Some things have to be taken in faith.
Luther said to imagine an invisible horizontal line above your head. Everything below that line is your business and responsibility and you are held accountable for the kind of life you choose to lead. Below that line is also the revealed Word of God, the Bible. As St. Paul said ‘we work out our salvation’ according to the revealed Word of God. Jesus (God) became man below that line. God interacts with us in a very real way and also in ways we don’t yet understand.
Above Luther’s Line is totally God’s business. As time bound finite beings, we do not have the capacity to know, understand or partake of that realm. We could not handle it. And if we were to be given anything above Luther’s Line, we would blow it. We’re no match for satan.
This isn’t something Luther or I have ‘worked out’ by our own strength and cleverness. If anyone wants to truly seek God, by His grace He will freely give them that understanding as a gift. But to the person who doesn’t understand or seek to understand, it’s just nonsense and doesn’t make any sense.
Your beliefs depend on your worldview. A Christian’s worldview is based entirely on the Bible and its truths. As you grow in faith, God gives you more and more and then as you said, Judith, we see Him face to face and all is then revealed and explained. I find that incredibly comforting as all things no matter how big or small will be put right by a just and holy God, our Creator.
This was the escalation that comes from vilifying Trump and his supporters for years now. They couldn’t eliminate him politically. They couldn’t eliminate him legally. Elimination by assassination was the natural progression of the agenda.
The media and his political opponents have called Trump Hitler enough and shouted how he’s a threat to democracy loud enough, it’s no surprise you get somebody thinking they are doing God’s work in assassinating him. And so they did.
We’ve seen comedians parading around with a model of his severed head. We’ve heard celebrities talk about how much they’d like to punch him in the face. And just 6 days ago we had Biden state it was time to put Trump in the bullseye.
And people are surprised it’s come to this? It was inevitable.
Spot on, Alex! Incitement to murder. A very terrible thing to encourage people to physically destroy someone.
The shooter was actually a Republican.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/heres-what-we-know-about-thomas-matthew-crooks-suspected-trump-rally-shooter-2024-07-14/
As I and many others have been warning for a while now, Donald Trump as President poses a serious threat to the diabolical plans of the New World Order Globalists or Deep State or whatever other name you want to call them, that Trump may inevitably become an expendable victim of political assassination. The political assassination attempt on Donald Trump was planned and ordered by the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican, and don't forget that. And don't rely on the lying corporate media to report and tell you the truth, they won't. That secret service agents and snipers did not notice the "lone gunman" is truly inconceivable and unbelievable to a person of sound mind. That secret service agents and snipers were utterly incompetent, complacent, derelict in their lack of duty to protect Trump and securing the location raises serious alarm bells and questions that the secret service may have indeed had a collective involvement or role in the assassination attempt plot. The so-called "lone gunman" was probably setup by the Jesuit Vatican as a fall guy patsy victim, the "lone gunman" was probably killed, murdered, assassinated by a secret service sniper that probably shot Trump, the secret service and all the alphabet agencies are Jesuit Vatican created and controlled. The real smoking gun is the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican, the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican was the smoking gun that ordered the assassinations of prominent U.S. Presidents' Lincoln, Jackson, Garfield, McKinley, RFK, JFK, and others. The assassination attempt on Trump was probably not intended to kill him but evoke fear and terror in Trump and the American people, specifically the White Christian American Right. They know that if they killed, murdered, assassinated Trump there would be an all out civil war across all the cities of America, and that could still be what the Jesuit Vatican has planned. If the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican wanted Trump dead he would be dead. It was intended to be a warning message to Trump and other American politicians to remind and keep them loyal and obedient to the Jesuit Vatican blood oath or else suffer the wrath for their disloyalty and disobedience. I seriously doubt and question the "lone gunman" story given by the corporate media, but hypothetically if he was, President Biden and Democrat politicians must surely be held responsible and blameworthy in the assassination attempt on Trump given that Biden and Democrat politicians and leftist media and celebrity psychopaths have been publicly endorsing and inciting violence and murder and assassination of Trump for many years, and they must be held responsible, blameworthy, accountable, and punished. I believe the assassination attempt on Trump was ordered by the Black Pope of the Jesuit Vatican. It is important to mention that the majority of President Biden's administration, and Trump's administration, is Jesuit dominated and subjugated. To a person of sound mind President Biden's latest public speech expressing concern for Trump's well being is utterly laughable and cannot be believed given the fact that the psychopath Biden and Democrats, and leftist media and celebrity psychopaths have been publicly endorsing and inciting violence and murder and assassination of Trump for many years. The fact that the Jesuit Vatican is willing to resort to diabolical anathema acts of assassinations, both attempted and literal assassinations of former and serving U.S. Presidents just shows how truly depraved and evil the Jesuit Vatican truly is!
https://vaticanassassins.org/2018/02/11/ejp-personal-letter-to-president-donald-trump-on-jesuit-conspiracy-against-america/
https://vaticanassassins.org/2016/11/05/a-call-to-vote-for-trump-why/
Let's just wait until we have more information. Let's not be the rabid left media. Please
DT dodged a bullet…..literally!
Praise God for his protection 🙏🏽
So true. No offence about the women! Men are better at security than women.
What did I say on here a few articles ago, that they'd try kill him. He is definitely protected by God. So grateful he isnt killed or injured.
I just found out a couple days ago that the name 'Donald' actually means "Ruler of the World". Thought that was interesting.
Fair enough, true believers think that your god stepped in and saved Trump today but how do you explain that that same god did nothing to prevent the brutal slaughter of 1200 of his chosen people last October?
It’s a genuine question. I’m truly interested because I cannot understand how people have such faith in an entity no one has ever seen but is attributed to so much in a book.
Burnie, that is a very good question, though it is difficult to give a simple answer. Please find below, a reply to your question that my husband has written:
Hi Burnie – The following is probably a very poor attempt at an answer to your question, but it is meant sincerely. Apologies for the length and any preachy-sounding sections – they are for context only.
In my personal life, one of the most intrinsically important things to me is to search for the truth. As someone (perhaps C.S. Lewis?) once said, “The greatest impediment to truth is the belief that one is already in the possession of it”. We are all so heavily encumbered by our upbringing, situation in life, culture, religion, etc. that it is at times very difficult to rise above our biases to comprehend error and recognise truth. Personally, I have had to admit that I have been wrong about various opinions and beliefs that I have held. Although it has been very hard to do so, I would rather admit error than falsely believe something that is not true. I would consider that my approach to understanding and logic would categorise me as a sceptic.
In light of the preceding, it may come as a surprise to some that it is my sincere belief that the Bible is true, and that the claims that it makes concerning Jesus and God are also true. It is probably somewhat of a meaningless aside to say this, but if the Bible were not true, then I would be readily willing to admit it. Whatever the case, if one studies the Bible in its historical, linguistic and cultural context, one sees that it is not just a solitary book standing by itself. There are hundreds of historical works by Greek, Roman and Jewish/other authors and innumerable archaeological findings which are extant in some form or other today that intertwine with individuals and events recorded in the Bible, giving great depth to what is contained within.
It is true that the Bible teaches that God created this world and everything in it and allowed us to have a free will of our own. As individuals, we have great capacity to carry out good or evil without God’s general interference. There are also forces of evil in this world who seek to influence.
It might sound callous to say this, but in some ways, the Bible does not place as much importance on death as the ordinary human being does. It teaches that death is a natural part of life – it is the moment when the soul is separated from the mortal body. What is of central importance to the Bible is what one does with one’s life. Ie. ‘What is the point of life?’
The central message of the Bible is what people often refer to as the ‘Gospel’ (which means ‘good news’ in English). In a nutshell, the ‘Good News’ that the Bible is centred around is that the Kingdom of God came to earth when Jesus was born and that he is its king. The Old Testament looks forward to its coming and the New Testament chronicles its arrival. However, Jesus’ kingdom was very different to what the Jews were expecting. They expected a military general who would overthrow the Romans and form a Judean Empire. Jesus’ controversial message was that his kingdom was very different from the kingdoms of this world who grow and increase their power through wars, violence, pride, arrogance, greed, lust, vices, enslavements of various forms, etc. Rather, God’s kingdom that Jesus brought to earth with him is one characterised by servitude, grace, humility, love, sacrifice, forgiveness, truth, honesty, strength of character, etc.
The writers of New Testament implore us to believe in the name of Jesus, which was ‘Christ’. (Christ when translated in English means ‘king’). Thus, a Christian is someone who believes that Jesus/God is the ‘king’ of his or her life and seeks to follow his will rather than their own. It is my sincere opinion that it is only through doing this that anyone can find true peace and fulfilment in their lives. There have been and will continue to be many examples where those who serve Jesus have had to endure horrific and unspeakable things which God has not spared them from and in many cases, they have endured these things on account of believing they were part of God’s will.
I know it is easy from an armchair to claim that God gives strength to those experiencing suffering and that this assertion can be readily dismissed as coming from an imaginative superstition. However, it is an odd fact that the Gospel has spread the furthest and the most rapidly during periods of persecution. I guess one way of looking at it is to say that God hates Christians. :-) However, it could equally be said that in the face of evil, God has given strength to those who trust in him and has worked through the ordinary people of this world to bring much change. The world is a very different place than it was 2,000 years ago, and it is indisputable that Christianity has been a driving force behind this.
In light of all this, to finally get to answering your question… It is my belief as a Christian that God loves and watches over every single person in this world. He has a purpose for each of us in our lives (however short or long they may be) and gives us opportunities to know him and follow him. It may be that God protects people from harm many times in their lives without their knowing it, to give them further opportunity to know him and repent and turn to follow him. If God did have some hand in the Trump incident today (and it wasn’t just a coincidence), this could very well be a reason. Also, it is very easy to presume that God was only thinking of Trump if he intervened in this situation, when in fact there could have been a multitude of other reasons.
In the case of the slaughter in Israel last year, we do not know how many people God protected from evil and what the potential death toll could have been had he not have done so. For each of the Israelis who were slaughtered, it is my opinion that God individually crafted each one of them to be the individual who they were, he guided and loved each one throughout their whole lives and had a specific purpose for each of them. It is certain that in the cases of all Israelis who were slain, that evil fulfilled its lustful purpose. However, the Bible calls Christians to stand against the evil in our own lives, as well as standing against the evil that is so all pervasive in the world. If people take a stand against evil, then with God’s help it will be defeated. It is the message of the Bible that in the end, good/righteousness will triumph over evil. And evil will be brought to justice in the life to come.
Jonathan (Heather’s husband)
Thanks Heather and Jonathan. I can understand and accept that true believers have faith and trust in their God and that you believe in the Bible whereas I don’t have that belief. I admit, on the balance of probabilities the Bible has been backed up in modern times of certain elements of proof, but they are not proof positive.
Thanks to over 20 years service as a police officer I am stuck with questioning everything and not believing anything until I have applied the standard of proof of Beyond Reasonable Doubt which entails all avenues of investigating What, How, Where, When, Who, Why.
Perhaps It would be a lot easier if I too was a true believer and had religious faith, but I don’t and I am quite comfortable with people having that faith and wouldn’t try to change them, as long as they don’t try to change me.
It seems like the answer I will get mostly to my original question boils down to the belief that God works in mysterious ways.
Thanks again
Cheers
Thanks, Jonathon, that was a beautiful description of the Christian belief.
And Burnie, I get where you’re coming from. If you’ve ever read any of CS Lewis’ books, he had the same struggle.
Physics. Trump turned his head to the right at precisely the right moment. Otherwise it would have struck him in the side of the head. Pretty accurate. Luck or coincidence. Mmmmmm. Open to what one believes I guess.
That’s if you believe in coincidence. :)
Or luck. :)
Or God
The fact is alas we can't see the big picture. GOD has a plan and it seems incredibly crule at times. I have seen the way very religious ppl deal with tragedy
They are resigned in their grief. It is admirable. I do not think I could cope as they do.
Thanks Karen but it doesn’t really answer what I am seeking.
I know, I'm but a mere mortal and can't answer you. Except one can experience the divine and other realms. I have.
Moses saw and spoke with God. God was visibly present at a meeting with 74 elders, including Moses, of Israel. Ezekiel, the OT prophet, saw God in several visions and walked with him through the valley of bones.
Thanks Axel but you are using words from a book written by man for man, well after the alleged events. I have read parts of the bible but I have not seen the passages you have referred to. The words might be there but are they true? This is my dilemma.
Burnie, it has been my experience that there are two types of people #1- willing to do impartial research of a controversial subject - any such subject- and #2 - those who are determined, no matter what, that their preferred facts are facts even if they are not. The fact of an extradimensional reality - called "heaven" in the Bible - teaming with life, is airily dismissed as superstitious by pseudo-intellectual arrogance. Planet earth, even the entire universe is operated by that dimension. Here on earth it is mainly by imparting thoughts, ideas, even attitudes on the human brain and the creation of circumstances. Even so, we humans are endowed with, and are, independent agencies. We can choose to do or not to do. The Bible can be proven to be God-inspired writing. It is constructed on a system of ironclad patterns of symbolic numbers and their combinations. A good study of this subject is E.W. Bullinger's "Number in Scripture". Re the Valley of Bones: see Ezekiel chapter 37, verses 1-14. It was a yet to be fulfilled prophecy. God spoke to Moses and the 70 (not 74) elders of Israel in Numbers 11:16,25 (I've just checked). The entities of "heaven" can take on human form at will, see Hebrews 13:2 "... do not forget to be hospitable to strangers, for by doing so some of you have unwittingly entertained angles. (Who had taken on human form)
Axel, in my experience there are more than two types, as you stated, but there is always one who believes he is so superior in his knowledge that he will waffle on to get to a stage where he turns the subject away from an original question thereby ignoring and avoiding the very direct initial question.
That person also has a habit of attempting to demean the person he is answering, with what he thinks are clever subtle words and usually gives a psychoanalysis just to again show how superior he is. By the way, he absolutely hates anyone who has an opinion contrary to his own.
Cheers
Yes, Burnie Jim, you made your point, but I didn't intend to demean you or anyone. My apology to you if you took my comment personally.
Apology accepted. Cheers
There are so many bad things happening around the world. Unfortunately on October 7 a large number of terrorist brutally attacked large number of innocent people. I don’t understand how it works exactly and it’s not right to justify it and I don’t consider myself as someone who could explain it. But that event opened people eyes on the power of evil in the Middle East… and the true colours of Islamists
I can only explain based on my own understanding that if Trump doesn’t win, if Trump dies before this election , the outcome will be by large devastating! And wars will continue and more people will die.
The world is in mess right now and maybe God knows and has plans for him to get America and the world in a slightly better direction so that the next person can direct it better. It’s simply not his time yet. He has power, and he is good at influencing people, and God is helping him to use his power and unique character to redirect the country for better- I hope.
It's all due to Free Will, Jim. If God was the creator like in the Matrix movie, we would all have no choice but to do good deeds that whilst pleasing to each other, would be against our inate habit. Satan asked Jesus to jump off a cliff and see if God would save him, he said not to tempt the Lord. So I think we are free to do whatever we want to do in this world, but will be judged fairly in the end by God. As Dirty Harry said "Well punk, are you feeling lucky today?"
Good grief. The person who fired toward the stage at former president Donald Trump’s campaign rally Saturday was a 20-year-old Pennsylvania man. There's an investigation going on. I'm amazed that anyone could immediately assume it was "the Democrats" who did it!
The Democrat party leaders have been on a hate Trump campaign for at least 6 years. The result has been called Trump derangement syndrome, TDS. The same lying media that has been covering up Bidens failing mental ability for at least 4 years has been leading this hate campaign. The USA in now totally divided.
This hate campaign by Democrat party leaders has now resulted in a shooting. A gullible, possibly even a limited IQ young man is now dead. Who is responsible?
Why not wait for the results of the investigation?
The USA is indeed divided - we are travelling the USA now for 3 months, visiting friends and relatives. Everyone we talk with, Republican and Democrat, agrees that they don't like Trump as a person, but that there's a cult mentality around Trump and he will probably win. There's a whole lot of hate for Biden, too. Who knows why the young man shot Trump? Wait and see.
The Don definitely got the B-team as far as security details go, however God spared his life by moving his head. The gunmen was a crap shooter, not a sharp shooter. DT reacted nobly, he didn't grab a kid and use him as a shield, like many politicians would do. DT is nor perfect, but he is better at growing America and keeping it out of wars, than the recent Democrat Presidents.
Five foot two body guards, Trump is over six foot tall. Pretty hard to lean over him for protection 🤔
If God spared DT's life, and it wasn't just plain luck, then there must be a reason for it.
I think the world just witnessed divine protection, regardless of whether it's acknowledged or not
Biden was most likely in bed 🛌 asleep 💤 they had to wake him up and medicate him for his lousy soft speech !
But I also think there was a leak in secret services. They spotted the guy and waited for him to react before shooting him down which is very strange unless they were local police lacking experience ! And members of public also warned the police about that guy.
I think there’s a good possibility that démocrates are behind this and paid the guy to kill trump …
But God definitely protected him. And I am a true believer of Gods protection !
History could be different by matter of milliseconds, Millimetres and a slight change in human reflexes. A slight scratch in his throat could have turned his head by millimetre to the wrong side …
I thank God for his love kindness and protection against evil. ❤️
I read lots of comments from lefties that this was staged and how did Trump got up so soon and the security got him up so quick when they knew there was a shooter but I have read that once shooter was down they were informed and that’s why they got trump to get up.
I'm sure the gunman had D. Trump's head in the crosshairs of his telescope when he pulled the trigger, but it takes a second for the bullet to reach its target. That was enough to miss the head.
The bullet fired from an AR 15 rifle , 5,6X45 calibre .223 civillian ,depending on the bullet weight will travel between 2900 and 3300 ft per second ,so one second elapsed time would put it far beyond the 120 (?) yards to the target.The bloke ,fortunately, was a pretty poor shot (thankfully )to miss albeit ,marginally at that range .The sad part is that the bastard had no consideration of other people in the crowd.
Surely there are many questions & answers yet to come but thankfully DT survived today 🙏🏽
My thoughts have been written in a previous post, but enough name calling and other denigrating efforts to make Trump lose face has backfired again.
Now I wait to see if the US Media come up with a lame conspiracy like, the assassination attempt was done by a disgruntled, former victim of a Trump liaison, wanting revenge and definitely not a Democrat with a divine revelation to kill Trump.
The shot that was heard around the world will have many leaders of the Nations checking out their own security details for leaks or insurgents.