27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. God did not give animals as food but herb and fruit.
And their disobedience was not to eat meat but from the tree they where not to eat from.
There may have been “Splendour in the Grass”(pun intended) last weekend but only 2 Bacon burgers, a meat lovers pizza, a rack of ribs and a Turkish lamb Sanger fueled this lads appetite.
Yes that was the faith based group I was referring to. Thanks for the reference.
My problem with vegan promotion today is that Bill Gates is behind it and he has done his best to starve us all by buying up farms and burning down food processing plants though his useful idiots.
He wants us to eat food contaminated by mRNA vaccines and graphene oxide.
There are a finite number of carbon atoms on earth and that will never change no matter what you eat. The carbon cycle is just a picture of how it moves around the cycle.
Earth has had CO2 levels twenty times higher than today. At that time plants grew at a far faster rate than today and the whole planet was a rain forest, Animals grew larger and when the flood came most of the plants became coal for us to use today.
"How to think about Climate change" by William Happer on YouTube and
"Planet of the humans" by Michael Moore show how nothing we do will ever control the climate.
God knew how foolish men are and that is why He made the earth to run on auto pilot.
These people have either been paid or got at another way. The media, schools and unis are brain washing attendees. Perhaps they are so stupid that they do not use critical thinking to find out the other side of the story and the facts. It is not only the push to stop eating meat and killing the stock, it is jabbing people and all animals and birds, climate change, gero engineering of our weather, the use of HAARP to cause changes to the weather and earthquakes etc., it is that people are under the influence of the criminal non elected corporations, and the list goes on.
Thanks for your humorous take on this issue. Yes as others have stated there is a Genesis 1 diet which is vegan. Yes when sin entered the world death became part of our existence and necessary due to issues trying to source food being part of the cost of rebellion. A bit of meat can be good to get nutrients unless you can spend a lot of time trying to source them through vegetables.
Over the years there have been lot of people that have been on vegetarian diets and have enjoyed their existence but others have suffered lack of nutrition and had to have meat or supplements. I certainly don't know, but I suspect that before we started trashing the place after sin entered the world there would have been plants that would have covered our essential needs without the need for meat as implied in Genesis. I am very encouraged by Australian farmers with livestock being world leaders and introducing things like seaweed supplements into diets to reduce methane outputs. Also encouraging is the fact that farms are now being assessed on biomass of their land and they actually offset carbon emissions by a vast amount simply because of every gram of growing and rotting vegetation being essentially a carbon store.
Or what about this … people who aren't billionaires flying around on private jets complaining about climate change account for 99.9999 per cent less emissions than those who are.
Thanks James, a light-hearted take on fanatics. Vegans and vegetarians often forget that it takes a lot of energy and fossil fuels to grow plants on a large scale. Cultivating the land, fertilizers (made from gas and oil), pesticides, harvesting, packaging, transport and storage. Not to mention all the artificially made supplements to supply the body with all it needs. It's OK if you have the luxury of being able to grow your own food, but most of the population depends on farmers growing our food.
If we would not clear so much fertile land and forests to put down solar panels, wind turbines and new power lines we would have more vegetation that could absorb CO2, which is a trace element anyway, < 0.04%. It's the short-sightedness and ignorance that is so frustrating.
I'm vegan. I don't want to eat the flesh of dead animals! Yes, it does help the planet a bit but that's not my only reason. I don't want to support animal industries - face it, there's unspeakable cruelty in every one of them. And my health is important to me. There's incontrovertible evidence that NOT eating meat brings you a healthier, longer life (by up to ten years). Who wouldn't want that?! At 67 I'm on no medications, I have no medical conditions and can't remember the last time I had a cold or flu. Not saying that I'm invincible, just resistant to disease, largely because of my lifestyle.
And we've never lived in such a time for getting fabulous ingredients to build wonderful food from plants! I love cooking, I love food - and I love being vegan! (PS You enjoy your meat. I'm a very tolerant vegan. My husband eats meat; I just expect to outlive him, lol!)
There are many other differences between vegans / vegetarians and omnivores e.g. they have a stricter diet, they usually have more of a faith based life than omnivores, etc.
I do not think there has been an age based fully blind study of each group, although I do believe there are problems with meat, especially chicken, fish and pork. Other consumables would have to be equal too e.g. smoking, alcohol, drugs, etc. No wonder it is hard to do a proper trial.
True! The Adventist Health Study is about the best study done, since they have groups within the group which use varying amounts of meat or none, and vegan or vegetarian groups within that. There are always variables to account for, but statisticians and studies are getting better all the time.
Plants use solar energy to grow, each leaf is a solar panel. More carbon in the air means plants grow better/bigger/ faster. More grass to feed stock. Much of Australia is grazed by cattle and sheep on land that can't be cropped (too dry or stoney or hilly or too many trees). Sheep and cattle burp some methane into the air as they digest the grass to extract the minerals, sugars, water and carbon in the grass to stay alive, grow and reproduce, (lambs and calves). Over time methane breaks back down into carbon in the air. Carbon cycle complete.
As long as the number of cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, camels, bison, reindeer etc stays the same there is no increase in the net amount of methane in the air as it breaks back down into the carbon that the plants eoriginally extracted from the air to grow. Methane a minor trace element gas is currently 0.00017% (1.7 parts per million by volume) of the world's atmosphere.
Animals collect the minerals and the vast variety of chemicals they need to stay alive and healthy from the grass they eat as they walk about and choose different species of plants at different growth stages to eat. Ie animals eat the plants they crave to get what they need_ like a pregnant woman with a particular food craving. So meat has a richer concentration and more complete range of the chemicals we need as humans to be healthy than is in most vegan diets.
Meat eating people actually live 6 to 10 years less than plant eaters. The longest running study on 100,000 vegetarians reveals this. And scientifically, people who eat meat have significant amounts of a substance called TMAO in their bloodstream. This is associated with higher rates of heart attack and stroke. Vegans don't have this. TMAO is produced by the type of bacteria found in the gut. The "bad" ones proliferate on a meat diet. Those who don't eat meat don't have anywhere near the amount of disease that meat eaters have. But hey, you enjoy your steak! 😀
I agree with James . God made us omnivores. I am not giving up meat for anyone. I avoid all things vegan. I have a blood condition that makes it difficult for me to take in iron so I need all the sources that I can get.
Actually, you show me where in the bible it says that Adam and Eve were vegetarians before they sinned??? This is a presumption that many Christians have. Food for thought (pun not intended).
Go for it then. The Bible has humanity starting out eating plants only, but hey, if you feel you need to eat meat I'm going to respect that! I'm not out to change the world, just to hopefully balance the untruths. I generally love James's posts, but this one's a bit foolish imo! You have a good day there, and enjoy your food, whatever it is. 😀 Blessings and peace!
Sure - I can see you have a good point after reading this passage through again. Perhaps they were vegetarians after all. Maybe one day we will find out for sure.
But that doesn't mean it's wrong or foolish to eat meat now. We don't know for sure whether Jesus ate red meat, but we do know for certain that he ate fish.
Thanks James. It’s great to have a laugh at the start of the week.
We lived in the Blue Mountains when our children were young. I bought everything organic and the quality was superb. It was before it was fashionable and prohibitively expensive. I loved coming home from work and having it all waiting on my veranda. I often included a few vegetarian ingredients in my cooking but I was never a big fan and my husband was horrified but doesn’t like to cook, so he didn’t really have a choice.
Now I can say ‘been there, done that!’ so I don’t have to do it again. We are indeed omnivores and are happy to live it and share it.
Vegans can only live in our society because we have access to a myriad of supplements. Vegetarians often resort to various complete protein foods (beef, chicken, fish) when they lack energy for the task.
However, I’m all for the vegans to continue on their path because they’re ultimately deleting themselves out of the gene pool.
Meat eating people actually live 6 to 10 years less than plant eaters. The longest running study on 100,000 vegetarians reveals this. And scientifically, people who eat meat have significant amounts of a substance called TMAO in their bloodstream. This is associated with higher rates of heart attack and stroke. Vegans don't have this. TMAO is produced by the type of bacteria found in the gut. The "bad" ones proliferate on a meat diet. Those who don't eat meat don't have anywhere near the amount of disease that meat eaters have. But hey, you enjoy your steak! 😀
Vegans are also often deficient in iron and other essential minerals, which are best sourced from meat.
A nutritious diet is all about having a sensible, balanced diet of fresh food and not too much of any one thing. It's also about avoiding fast food and other highly processed food.
I would heartily agree with your last paragraph. The first paragraph is debatable. Everyone should plan their meals carefully and ensure no deficiencies. I wouldn't say vegans are "often" deficient in anything, or that iron and other essential minerals are "best sourced" from meat. The TMAO which builds up in the blood stream of a meat eater, from the bacteria in their gut, is far more concerning. TMAO is strongly associated with many disease processes: "Many studies report a positive relationship between the level of TMAO concentration and the development of various diseases, such as cardiovascular diseases and cardiorenal disorders, including atherosclerosis, hypertension, ischemic stroke, atrial fibrillation, heart failure, acute myocardial infarction, and chronic kidney disease, and also diabetes mellitus, metabolic syndrome, cancers (stomach, colon), as well as neurological disorders."
The current average western diet is certainly not ideal for health but we have a lot of choice in Australia and can choose fresh, organic, unprocessed foods according to our finances and locality.
It is an actual fact that we are omnivores. We have the teeth to prove it and we can in fact digest meat. Red meat is actually our best source of heme iron, required for healthy oxygen transportation around the body.
There’s over 8 billion people on the planet, so a study of 100,000 vegetarians is probably not conclusive over the thousands of years we’ve existed. Different cultures in different parts of the world have vastly different histories in relation to diet and lifespans as well as genetic differences that impact both.
Todays issues as far as health is concerned is more about the pesticide and herbicide use and the overuse of fertilisers to artificially improve the soil. Growing healthy crops for large numbers of people has always been an issue and meat itself, whether domestic or wild, has provided more protein and calories than crops for many, many generations of people, allowing survival.
The privilege of living in this country to date is the choice.
Genesis 1:27-30
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. God did not give animals as food but herb and fruit.
And their disobedience was not to eat meat but from the tree they where not to eat from.
There may have been “Splendour in the Grass”(pun intended) last weekend but only 2 Bacon burgers, a meat lovers pizza, a rack of ribs and a Turkish lamb Sanger fueled this lads appetite.
I’d like a big juicy steak medium rare thanks
Yes that was the faith based group I was referring to. Thanks for the reference.
My problem with vegan promotion today is that Bill Gates is behind it and he has done his best to starve us all by buying up farms and burning down food processing plants though his useful idiots.
He wants us to eat food contaminated by mRNA vaccines and graphene oxide.
There are a finite number of carbon atoms on earth and that will never change no matter what you eat. The carbon cycle is just a picture of how it moves around the cycle.
Earth has had CO2 levels twenty times higher than today. At that time plants grew at a far faster rate than today and the whole planet was a rain forest, Animals grew larger and when the flood came most of the plants became coal for us to use today.
"How to think about Climate change" by William Happer on YouTube and
"Planet of the humans" by Michael Moore show how nothing we do will ever control the climate.
God knew how foolish men are and that is why He made the earth to run on auto pilot.
These people have either been paid or got at another way. The media, schools and unis are brain washing attendees. Perhaps they are so stupid that they do not use critical thinking to find out the other side of the story and the facts. It is not only the push to stop eating meat and killing the stock, it is jabbing people and all animals and birds, climate change, gero engineering of our weather, the use of HAARP to cause changes to the weather and earthquakes etc., it is that people are under the influence of the criminal non elected corporations, and the list goes on.
Just another day,
More blah BLAH!!
Thanks for mon giggle James..💪👍I am not giving up meat!! 🤬
Enjoy your steak James..🍽🥩🍾🍸
Thanks for your humorous take on this issue. Yes as others have stated there is a Genesis 1 diet which is vegan. Yes when sin entered the world death became part of our existence and necessary due to issues trying to source food being part of the cost of rebellion. A bit of meat can be good to get nutrients unless you can spend a lot of time trying to source them through vegetables.
Over the years there have been lot of people that have been on vegetarian diets and have enjoyed their existence but others have suffered lack of nutrition and had to have meat or supplements. I certainly don't know, but I suspect that before we started trashing the place after sin entered the world there would have been plants that would have covered our essential needs without the need for meat as implied in Genesis. I am very encouraged by Australian farmers with livestock being world leaders and introducing things like seaweed supplements into diets to reduce methane outputs. Also encouraging is the fact that farms are now being assessed on biomass of their land and they actually offset carbon emissions by a vast amount simply because of every gram of growing and rotting vegetation being essentially a carbon store.
Or what about this … people who aren't billionaires flying around on private jets complaining about climate change account for 99.9999 per cent less emissions than those who are.
Exactly!
Thanks James, a light-hearted take on fanatics. Vegans and vegetarians often forget that it takes a lot of energy and fossil fuels to grow plants on a large scale. Cultivating the land, fertilizers (made from gas and oil), pesticides, harvesting, packaging, transport and storage. Not to mention all the artificially made supplements to supply the body with all it needs. It's OK if you have the luxury of being able to grow your own food, but most of the population depends on farmers growing our food.
If we would not clear so much fertile land and forests to put down solar panels, wind turbines and new power lines we would have more vegetation that could absorb CO2, which is a trace element anyway, < 0.04%. It's the short-sightedness and ignorance that is so frustrating.
Yah right. Thanks but no thanks.
I'm vegan. I don't want to eat the flesh of dead animals! Yes, it does help the planet a bit but that's not my only reason. I don't want to support animal industries - face it, there's unspeakable cruelty in every one of them. And my health is important to me. There's incontrovertible evidence that NOT eating meat brings you a healthier, longer life (by up to ten years). Who wouldn't want that?! At 67 I'm on no medications, I have no medical conditions and can't remember the last time I had a cold or flu. Not saying that I'm invincible, just resistant to disease, largely because of my lifestyle.
And we've never lived in such a time for getting fabulous ingredients to build wonderful food from plants! I love cooking, I love food - and I love being vegan! (PS You enjoy your meat. I'm a very tolerant vegan. My husband eats meat; I just expect to outlive him, lol!)
There are many other differences between vegans / vegetarians and omnivores e.g. they have a stricter diet, they usually have more of a faith based life than omnivores, etc.
I do not think there has been an age based fully blind study of each group, although I do believe there are problems with meat, especially chicken, fish and pork. Other consumables would have to be equal too e.g. smoking, alcohol, drugs, etc. No wonder it is hard to do a proper trial.
True! The Adventist Health Study is about the best study done, since they have groups within the group which use varying amounts of meat or none, and vegan or vegetarian groups within that. There are always variables to account for, but statisticians and studies are getting better all the time.
Plants use solar energy to grow, each leaf is a solar panel. More carbon in the air means plants grow better/bigger/ faster. More grass to feed stock. Much of Australia is grazed by cattle and sheep on land that can't be cropped (too dry or stoney or hilly or too many trees). Sheep and cattle burp some methane into the air as they digest the grass to extract the minerals, sugars, water and carbon in the grass to stay alive, grow and reproduce, (lambs and calves). Over time methane breaks back down into carbon in the air. Carbon cycle complete.
As long as the number of cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, camels, bison, reindeer etc stays the same there is no increase in the net amount of methane in the air as it breaks back down into the carbon that the plants eoriginally extracted from the air to grow. Methane a minor trace element gas is currently 0.00017% (1.7 parts per million by volume) of the world's atmosphere.
Animals collect the minerals and the vast variety of chemicals they need to stay alive and healthy from the grass they eat as they walk about and choose different species of plants at different growth stages to eat. Ie animals eat the plants they crave to get what they need_ like a pregnant woman with a particular food craving. So meat has a richer concentration and more complete range of the chemicals we need as humans to be healthy than is in most vegan diets.
Meat eating people actually live 6 to 10 years less than plant eaters. The longest running study on 100,000 vegetarians reveals this. And scientifically, people who eat meat have significant amounts of a substance called TMAO in their bloodstream. This is associated with higher rates of heart attack and stroke. Vegans don't have this. TMAO is produced by the type of bacteria found in the gut. The "bad" ones proliferate on a meat diet. Those who don't eat meat don't have anywhere near the amount of disease that meat eaters have. But hey, you enjoy your steak! 😀
The stupidity grows. How can these journalists believe that we take them seriously let alone read their drivel.
I'm assuming you're not in agreement with James then. Me neither! 😉
I agree with James . God made us omnivores. I am not giving up meat for anyone. I avoid all things vegan. I have a blood condition that makes it difficult for me to take in iron so I need all the sources that I can get.
Same here 🙏🙏🙏💪💪💪
God actually created us Vegetarians in the beginning. Then sin entered in and God eventual allowed us to eat meat.
It was after the flood that God gave meat for us to eat.
Every green thing was the food Adam and Eve were given along with all the animals!
Actually, you show me where in the bible it says that Adam and Eve were vegetarians before they sinned??? This is a presumption that many Christians have. Food for thought (pun not intended).
They were vegetarians even after they sinned.
God made a covenant with Noah to allow meat eating as the flood may not have left much plant food for them after the flooding.
This was two thousand years after the garden of Eden.
Go for it then. The Bible has humanity starting out eating plants only, but hey, if you feel you need to eat meat I'm going to respect that! I'm not out to change the world, just to hopefully balance the untruths. I generally love James's posts, but this one's a bit foolish imo! You have a good day there, and enjoy your food, whatever it is. 😀 Blessings and peace!
Where in the bible does it say that humanity started out eating plants only???
Genesis 1:29
Sure - I can see you have a good point after reading this passage through again. Perhaps they were vegetarians after all. Maybe one day we will find out for sure.
But that doesn't mean it's wrong or foolish to eat meat now. We don't know for sure whether Jesus ate red meat, but we do know for certain that he ate fish.
Thanks James. It’s great to have a laugh at the start of the week.
We lived in the Blue Mountains when our children were young. I bought everything organic and the quality was superb. It was before it was fashionable and prohibitively expensive. I loved coming home from work and having it all waiting on my veranda. I often included a few vegetarian ingredients in my cooking but I was never a big fan and my husband was horrified but doesn’t like to cook, so he didn’t really have a choice.
Now I can say ‘been there, done that!’ so I don’t have to do it again. We are indeed omnivores and are happy to live it and share it.
Vegans can only live in our society because we have access to a myriad of supplements. Vegetarians often resort to various complete protein foods (beef, chicken, fish) when they lack energy for the task.
However, I’m all for the vegans to continue on their path because they’re ultimately deleting themselves out of the gene pool.
Meat eating people actually live 6 to 10 years less than plant eaters. The longest running study on 100,000 vegetarians reveals this. And scientifically, people who eat meat have significant amounts of a substance called TMAO in their bloodstream. This is associated with higher rates of heart attack and stroke. Vegans don't have this. TMAO is produced by the type of bacteria found in the gut. The "bad" ones proliferate on a meat diet. Those who don't eat meat don't have anywhere near the amount of disease that meat eaters have. But hey, you enjoy your steak! 😀
Vegans are also often deficient in iron and other essential minerals, which are best sourced from meat.
A nutritious diet is all about having a sensible, balanced diet of fresh food and not too much of any one thing. It's also about avoiding fast food and other highly processed food.
I would heartily agree with your last paragraph. The first paragraph is debatable. Everyone should plan their meals carefully and ensure no deficiencies. I wouldn't say vegans are "often" deficient in anything, or that iron and other essential minerals are "best sourced" from meat. The TMAO which builds up in the blood stream of a meat eater, from the bacteria in their gut, is far more concerning. TMAO is strongly associated with many disease processes: "Many studies report a positive relationship between the level of TMAO concentration and the development of various diseases, such as cardiovascular diseases and cardiorenal disorders, including atherosclerosis, hypertension, ischemic stroke, atrial fibrillation, heart failure, acute myocardial infarction, and chronic kidney disease, and also diabetes mellitus, metabolic syndrome, cancers (stomach, colon), as well as neurological disorders."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7975634/#:~:text=Many%20studies%20report%20a%20positive,acute%20myocardial%20infarction%2C%20and%20chronic
The current average western diet is certainly not ideal for health but we have a lot of choice in Australia and can choose fresh, organic, unprocessed foods according to our finances and locality.
It is an actual fact that we are omnivores. We have the teeth to prove it and we can in fact digest meat. Red meat is actually our best source of heme iron, required for healthy oxygen transportation around the body.
There’s over 8 billion people on the planet, so a study of 100,000 vegetarians is probably not conclusive over the thousands of years we’ve existed. Different cultures in different parts of the world have vastly different histories in relation to diet and lifespans as well as genetic differences that impact both.
Todays issues as far as health is concerned is more about the pesticide and herbicide use and the overuse of fertilisers to artificially improve the soil. Growing healthy crops for large numbers of people has always been an issue and meat itself, whether domestic or wild, has provided more protein and calories than crops for many, many generations of people, allowing survival.
The privilege of living in this country to date is the choice.
On fire again… at the bbq!